2009-11-11 - Added by JamDav1982 
Supporter of Newcastle

Madrid

You dont have a clue about odds that much is obvious. The fact that a bet does not come in DOES NOT MEAN THE ODDS WERE WRONG, but I doubt you will understand that.
I never tipped Madrid and clearly stated that Alcoron were slight favourites to fo through.
What makes it obvious to me ypu dont have a clue is that you say the game was all but over yet say the bookies should have made Madrid 2/1.
The joke of it is that if you think that the game was all but over then just under evens should represent umbelievable value on Alcoron.
What odds do you suggest Alcoron should have been to qualify then?

2009-11-11 - Added by Bobbankblue 
Supporter of Cardiff

This is getting tiresome...

Before you start talking in specifics about what prices would/wouldn't be possible to make a profit, then I didn't nominate a price for either team - merely suggested at least 2/1 for Madrid would get the punters interested. Read what I write properly if you want to pick it apart.

The game was all but over, so the price of Madrid at around even money was not appealing to anyone.

If anything, it goes to show that the bookies agreed with you, and the game was still in the balance.

Guess what? You were both WRONG.

You are arguing over something that has already happened. You were WRONG. Accept it, and move on.

2009-11-11 - Added by JamDav1982 
Supporter of Newcastle

Odds

Bob you said earlier -
"It didn't take a genius to see that at 4-0 the tie was virtually over."
The fact that you then say that the odds of Madrid going through were only 2/1 is laughable, and only goes to prove my point that Madrid were not out the tie. To back up your statement you would need to put Madrid of odds at least 10/1.
Another point is that if Madrid were 2/1 and Alcoron were just under evens you could back both sides and still make profit!!
You are clearly not a betting man.

2009-11-11 - Added by Bobbankblue 
Supporter of Cardiff

Odds

As a betting man I understand odds perfectly - hence why I avoided this one, as according to you Madrid were priced slightly better than evens, and Alcorcon slightly worse.

Alcorcon's price was maybe slightly tempting but the bookies should have taken a stance on Madrid and priced them at around 2/1 at least, given the fact they were four goals behind.

It still wouldn't have tempted me, but for the likes of you, who thought the tie was still in the balance, then it would have represented good value.

2009-11-11 - Added by JamDav1982 
Supporter of Newcastle

Rollyz the SEETHING MUGGLE.

Rolly - I never predicted Real Madrid to go through you mug, I said that Alcoron were rightly favourites, but the tie was still in the balance which it was.
Fact - I never predicted Madrid to go through
Fact - Rollyz predicted Madrid to qualify.
Anyone in doubt read the thread. Rolly I didnt think it was possible for you too make a bigger mug of yourself, but well done.

Bob - No never had any bets on the game. Didn't see any value on either side, thought the bookies had it right.
As for your comment about bookies having wrong odds on both sides, proves you dont understand odds.
If two sides are evens and you believe that one is crap odds it means the other one represents amazing value.
What odds would you have prices it up at then?

2009-11-11 - Added by Bobbankblue 
Supporter of Cardiff

Madrid out

"It didn't take a genius to see that at 4-0 the tie was virtually over."


Not being smug mate. Far from it.

Just saying it was a no-brainer at 4-0.

The odds were shocking for both sides. Bookies being tight as usual. Did you bet on Alcorcon then?

2009-11-11 - Added by Rollyz 
Supporter of Arsenal

Sorry DavJimmo198 whatever -

If the game was to be played again you would STILL be tipping Real Madrid to go through you myopic somnambulist.

But then again, you are a Newcastle fan - you'll support anything with a pulse as long as it can give you a taste of silverware!!!

Ill repeat for all readers of this piece - JamBoy 1982 believed that Real still had the chance to go through DESPITE losing 4-0 in the first leg -

An optimist like Kevin Keegan!!! - hahaha

2009-11-11 - Added by JamDav1982 
Supporter of Newcastle

Madrid

Bob. I wouldnt get too smug about predicting Madrid would go through when they were odds on to do so.
If you look at my comments I said Alcoron were just favourites to go through which I thouight was about right,
Although Madrid played poorly they still had enough chances to go through. If the game was to be played again tonight I still think the odds would be the same.

2009-11-11 - Added by Bobbankblue 
Supporter of Cardiff

Lets all calm down...

Ok this one has got a bit feisty hasn't it!

All's fair in love and erm, football and all that.

I'd just like to point out that I was the only one who predicted Madrid would go out after the first leg. Guess what. They did.

It didn't take a genius to see that at 4-0 the tie was virtually over.

Madrid 1-0 Alcorcon. Aggregate 1-4.

Bye bye Real.

2009-11-11 - Added by JamDav1982 
Supporter of Newcastle

Madrid

Rollyz sent me this message -
Well Real Madrid are out, Do you feel a little silly????
how do you feel?????
And there you were doubting it - clearly you are not a good predictor!!!
Was it ever in doubt?????
Come on 4-0 first leg!!!!

Look through the posts and you will see I never predicted Madrid to go through. Show me where I did...
All i was pointing out was that it was still an evens shot for them to go through, which I still think were the correct odds.
You were the only one to predict Madrid would qualify -
''I have a real feeling that Real Madrid will this clash around'
Although written like a seven year old I am sure that was you tipping them to go through.
You first said they were out, then predicted them to go through, then acted all smug when they were eliminated!!
Your achieving nothing other than making yourself look like a complete mug.
As for not being 'a good predictor' the money coming from my betfair account says different sonny boy.

2009-11-10 - Added by JamDav1982 
Supporter of Newcastle

Madrid

Alcoron are just under evens, Madrid just above evens.
Those odds are about right with Alcoron just favourites to go through, but clearly Madrid are not all but out as you were trying to say a couple of weeks ago. You were commenting as if Madrid would be 20/1 shots to qualify.
If you really have the courage of your convictions you could put money on Alcoron at just under evens, which you must think is an unbelievable value considering your comment on Madrids price.

2009-11-10 - Added by Bobbankblue 
Supporter of Cardiff

Madrid out

I commented on this one to insist they were virtually out and I stand by my convictions.

One goal from Alcorcon should be enough, and while I don't think they will win tonights game, they will have done enough in the first game to go through.

Even money is a frankly absurd price.

What price are Alcoron????

2009-11-10 - Added by JamDav1982 
Supporter of Newcastle

Madrid

I'm not certain at all. Just pointing out that the odds on Madrid going through is 50/50, which I was arguing two weeks ago when you claimed they were already basically out.
At least have the courage to stand by your convictions.

2009-11-10 - Added by Rollyz 
Supporter of Arsenal

Jim would you put your house, Mortgage and Mother's life on Madrid going through????

If not, then dont act like your certain!!!

2009-11-10 - Added by JamDav1982 
Supporter of Newcastle

Madrid

Rollyz you have changed your tune.
A couple of weeks ago you claimed Madrid were already eliminated, when I pointed out there was still a second leg to play you said that it was basically all over.
I said at the time you were wrong and the odds on Madrid qualifying would not be that high.
Today Madrid are Evens to go through.