2009-08-21 - Added by Panner1 
Supporter of Man Utd

"Most complete"?!

Surely the most complete equates to the best no?

I mean your not exactly going to class a half complete striker the best in the world are you??

Dictionary states on the word "complete" - Having all parts or elements; lacking nothing; whole; entire; full.

Therefore by taking the literal meaning you think he is the best "ON HIS DAY" and United's backline which has included Evans (who you have said is dwarfed by Alex's experience lol) has kept him quiet more times than not.

Anyway, United's defence everytime for me but then again I am a United fan so I am going to say that.

Think the majority would agree tho Vidic and Ferdinand and then Evra. Jeepers Cech's performances over the past 12 months would mean Van der Sar too.

Agreed right-back is a problem so I would go with Bosingwa but I am sceptical of him defensively!

2009-08-21 - Added by Thebear 
Supporter of Sunderland

Did I really say that...

Think you'll find I never actually said I thought Dorgba was the best, I said he was the most complete on his day!
I said:
"Although i hate him i think when Drogba fancies it, he is the most complete centre forward about!"

His day was few and far between last season, it was clean he felt he was leaving and was half hearted for most of last season!

I don't think using the word worse is the right one panner, they are both world class at the back! All I am saying is that I'd prefer chelsea's!

2009-08-21 - Added by Panner1 
Supporter of Man Utd

No way!

Three titles in three years...plus two Champions League finals in a row!!

And lets wo wo wo it hardly got "ripped" apart by Barca in the final - 2-0 last time i checked - more the midfield you should be concentrating on their!

Record for 14 cleansheets in a row with Rio injured for most of plus Rafael, Neville, O'Shea and even Flecther playing at right-back.

Is all about opinion your right but there is no way you can convince me United's defence is worse than Chelsea's

You said Drogba was the best forward in the world below - Vidic AND Evans keeps him quiet 9 times out of 10.

Champions League final and both league game's last season my case in point (yes, yes he scored the winner in the FA Cup two seasons ago).

Vidic and Rio have been the best by a mile the past two seasons - Carvalho has hardly played so how you can say that I will never know.

Cole and Evra fair do's but United over Chelsea everyday of the week!

2009-08-21 - Added by Thebear 
Supporter of Sunderland

Yes chelsea.....

Aye I'd pick Chelsea backline over UTD's, was it not the UTD Defence that got ripped apart by barca in the final!? I know that was to do with the way the team was set up etc but I'd go with chelsea over utd backline!

I'd pick Cech over Van Der Sar these days.
Left back is a close call to be fair but I'd pick cole over the two.

Centre back I'd put them on level pegging, for me carvalho is my fav defender is the league and would pick him over terry any day of the week but as a partnership they are a close call with vidic/ferdinand and the back ups Alex/Evans chelsea wud prob just edge it purely on experience alone!

Then you have right back and i'd give that to chelsea again as brown (whats 2007/08 got to do with it, speaking about now) has never played more than 5games in a row in the last season or so!

2009-08-20 - Added by Panner1 
Supporter of Man Utd

Chelsea backline??

Your right football is all about opinion but surely you can't be serious - rather have Chelsea over United's defence??

Vida and Rio - best centre-back pairing by a mile - awesome on their day.

Evra - been the best left-back in the world past two seasons.

And when fit, Brown is quality in that right-back slot (2007/8 season my case in point)

Midfield I tend to agree but id still pick Carrick and Fletcher ahead of Kompany, Barry, De Jong etc etc any day of the week.

Granted Gerrard, Lampard, Essien, Mascherano and Fabregas are better individually but in terms of the team they do a good job.

Out wide where United need to strengthen - Park, Nani - decent players but can't win games on their own - Modric and Silva.

Splash the cash Fergie!!!

2009-08-20 - Added by Thebear 
Supporter of Sunderland

Is it just me but I think fergie needs to start to splash the cash urgently! Or are the Galziers maybe tightening the purse strings???
This is no knee jerk reaction but I think they could be in serious danger of missing out on the top 2 even! I know they are traditionally slow starters but just think they are lacking something and worryingly key players seem to becoming more injury prone! They are short upfront, owen could be potentially good but as he will with out a doubt get injured that leaves you with just two first class strikers, although berba needs to raise the bar A LOT!

Defensively, when everyone is fit they are as good as anyone, although would rather have Chelsea backline myself! But Rio worryingly for you seems to be picking up more injuries these days and still think right back is a problem!

Midfield is where I think they have all their problems, not good enough! Utd don’t have a single world class player in there anymore (obviously Giggs and scholes were). Arsenal have Arshavin and Cesc, Liverpool Gerrard (big mistake letting Alonso leave), Chelsea have a whole heap and dare I say UTD would have been envious of their near neighbours midfield at the weekend – Robhino, Ireland, Barry and Wright Phillips! Although not convinced I’d class Robhino at a midfielder but they would all get a game for UTD for me just now! Fletch great season last season and a very good team player but not gonna win you games, carrick (Maybe similar to Barry for me) similar but apart from that all just hard working decent players!

I think when everyone is fit Chelsea, Arsenal and possibly even man city have better selections in midfield, possibly even spurs!
How many Utd players would make it in the top 10 midfielders in the premiership! NONE!

My revised premiership prediction is still Chelsea to win but Arsenal to finish second and if Mark Hughes can get it right I think they are more of a threat to the top 4 than people are giving them credit with. Might be crazy but could they finish as high as second, it seems to me that they have more options in midfield than up top than both Liverpool and Utd! But I’ll go

Chelsea,
Arsenal
Man UTD,
Man City,
Liverpool
Spurs

As my top 6 but think if moyes can bring in a couple of players with the lescott money(never worth 25millions, moyes must be laughing his way to bank) and the return of the YAK and Arteta they will be right amongst the mix! For me don’t fancy Villa this season!


Undoubtedly you’ll disagree but that the beauty of football eh!

2009-08-16 - Added by Thebear 
Supporter of Sunderland

Incidently don't agree the torres in the best forward in the world, he is clearly up there! Although i hate him i think when Drogba fancies it, he is the most complete centre forward about!

Although last season he was poor, on the days he did fancy it he was brilliant!

2009-08-14 - Added by Bretty 
Supporter of Arsenal

Other candidates

Wilshere will probably pop up a bit more than he did the season just passed. He's a good prospect for the future but still young and had the same sort of pre season this year as he did last. Still, Arsenal have some of the most injury prone wingers in the league so he might get a lucky break. He's not one to put on the to shine list as it is down to luck that he will get played.

Other candidates:

Michael Owen (Man Utd) - I believe he will prove more of a key to Man Utd winning than Rooney this season. He wants that England spot again, thus will be trying his hardest. It all relies on if he can stay injury free.

Niklas Bendtner (Arsenal) - A controversial choice but I strongly believe this will be the season of the Bendtner. He may be more cocky than he should be but Bendtner is the only option for a big man up front and he will step up to the plate, or be shipped off next transfer window.

Ashley Young (Aston Villa) - A great player who had a decent season last season and will have an even better one this one. With the World Cup so close he will be one of many players stepping up his game to get selected but I feel he will be the strongest.

2009-08-14 - Added by Bobbankblue 
Supporter of Cardiff

Others to consider...

Jack Rodwell-

Moyes has come out and said he hopes to bring him through steadlily, but his hand maybe forced due to squad size/the player's ability.

Michael Owen -Surely no one thinks Owen won't succeed at United IF he stays fit? Bound to get loads of chances, and sure to rediscover his scoring touch.

Chris Eagles -

I like the choice of McCann, but I think Eagles has that thing all defender's hate - raw pace. He could be a genuine threat.

Heurehlo Gomes -

Ok, so he started off in England as a joke figure, but he also broke the record for the least goals conceded at White Hart Lane in a single season by a keeper. With Modric (great choice) pulling the strings in the centre of the park, a host of attacking options, some fit centre-backs and Gomes on form I think Spurs might be a genuine threat this term.

2009-08-14 - Added by Thebear 
Supporter of Sunderland

wilshire should not be in the top ten, he won't even play regularly for arsenal this season! He'll play in carling cup and make the odd cameo in the league! For arsenal I'd expect bigger things from Vela(potentially world class) and ramsey this season.

Wilshire had a good pre season last year and he never played during the season, i expect the same this season!

2009-08-14 - Added by Panner1 
Supporter of Man Utd

Wilshere?

A couple of game games at pre-season - don't think constitutes Wilshere getting in the top 10 here

Arshavin will definitely be the main man for Arsenal this season and think he is the right inclusion.

Think Defoe could have a big year and Valncia at United will do well.

Like the boy McCann - watched him alot last season and think he could be very good player in the Prem.